[colorforth] New mailing list for chat

[Dirk Harms-Merbitz <dirk@xxxxxxxxx>]

I tried to tell Mark in private email that any colorForth work is good
especially when shared.

At the same time, I do not think that it is possible or desirable to
be compatible. Better to pick the battles and excell where C won't go.

We'll get more milage that way. TCP/IP is necessary to talk to other
systems. IPv6 would be enough. Again, a Linux box could be the gateway out.

It is not hard to design a new compression scheme or anything else.
Changing the problem is what's so refreshing about colorforth.

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 07:45:35PM -0700, John Drake wrote:
> Hello Mark,
> 
> Please do not stop posting code such as the JPEG
> source that you wrote.  Having a change to read
> actual working code is the main reason I subscribed
> to this list.  What you've done so far is important
> for several reasons.  1) Many ColorForth users
> including Chuck Moore actually WANT a JPEG
> encoder/decoder.  He has this listed on his
> "colorForth projects" page.  He also as TCP/IP
> listed.  (He thinks it can be done in 3 screens).
> And UDP/IP/Ethernet is at the top of the list.
> Noticeably absent is "come up with a new
> lossless compression algorithm" or "come up
> with a replacement for TCP/IP."  2) Your work
> further validates the fact that colorForth can
> allow people to implement know algorithms
> efficiently.  Some people try to claim that
> Chuck's results are simply from "changing the
> problem".  That's not true.  Sometimes he may
> change the problem.  Other times he attacks the
> problem in a different way.  You seemed
> disappointed that your code took 7 blocks.
> But Chuck's BMP demo took 4 screens.  Considering
> the fact that the JPEG algorithm is far more
> sophisticated than BMP I don't think you did
> bad at all.  3) It's useful code for someone
> trying to actually learn colorforth.  Even
> if I were inclined to write a new lossless
> graphics compression algorithm from scratch
> (which I am not) I would want to see how a 
> similair problem was solved in colorforth.
> 
> There are a lot of other "philisophical" things
> I could say, but I'll leave that for the other
> list.  I will say this much.  There is no
> reason why this has to be an "either or"
> scenario.  If there are colorForther's that
> want to design their own network protocol
> or graphics formats they should go right ahead.
> Those of us who want build tools such as
> USB, TCP/IP, GIF, JPEG, PPP ect. should
> go right ahead.  People who have a good
> idea, an actual plan to implement it, and
> the dedication to do it will get accomplish
> their goal regardless of who they can convince
> to go along.  Just look at colorForth and
> OKAD II.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John M. Drake
> 
> --- Mark Slicker <maslicke@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 May 2002 list-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello.
> > > 
> > > As yet another thread has spiralled  'off topic' 
> > I have created a new list 
> > > for chat.
> > > 
> > > To join, send a mail to :-
> > > 
> > > mdaemon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 
> > > with
> > > 
> > > subscribe colorforth-chat
> > > 
> > > as the first line in the body.
> > > 
> > > Please join this list for general chat,
> > philisophical debate etc. and keep 
> > > strictly to colorforth code and help on this list.
> > > 
> > 
> > I would not mind purely intelectual works(designs,
> > ideas) to be posted
> > here, and discussed. This is not what I saw in the
> > jpeg thread. I see
> > things like "Why don't we come up with our lossy
> > image codec?", "Why don't
> > we come up with our network protocal?". I translate
> > this to "Why don't you
> > figure out my half-baked ideas?". Are you paying me
> > to do this? I would
> > glady design a lossy image codec, if someone paid me
> > for my work,
> > and gave me the specification for their application.
> > I simply have no
> > motivation at the moment otherwise. These types of
> > mesages are hardly what
> > I would expect from programmers who subscribe to
> > "Thoughtful Programming". 
> > 
> > I hope you understand my frustration and anger. I
> > regret even posting my
> > code in the first place. I was much more more
> > emotionally sound prior. I
> > have completely lost focus, and I'm unable to
> > complete my jpeg 
> > decoder. Thoughtful Programming requires focus!
> > Perahps I need a break
> > from computing, and personalities that inhabit it.
> > 
> > Mark 
> > 
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