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Re: [colorforth] is the subject here, lets stick to it.

Can we please keep this news group to the subject of Chuck's Colorforth
please.
We do not have the option of starting a new thread here. It is all one
thread all we
can do is change the subject line, but the mail does not sort by the subject
line at least here.

IMHO the below comments do talk about colorforth just a little bit,
but - - - come on guys!
Move it to Comp.lang.forth - Please!  The future direction of Forth is
political not computational. I like Chuck's method - Do it, don' talk about
it just do it.

Let me complement the rest of you of having stuck to the subject of
colorforth.
You all have been a big help in my starting to understanding colorforth.

John A. Peters
Excuse me if I am off base.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <howerd.oakford@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <colorforth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [colorforth] Ideas


> Hi Adam,
>
> > Those were the worst market-droid encounters yet lol
> [snip]
> > Sage one stay too quiet for me, I want them
> > to become wild and irresponsible, releasing impossible exploits
> [snip]
> This is not an easy time for free-thinkers. The world seems to function in
a
> bizarre and irrational way.
> Thanks for expressing your feelings ;)
>
> > The pieces I'm missing is PCI programming info, but most importantly,
> > an interactive prompt programmed by me.
> PCI is a mystery to me too... An interactive prompt is easy - find a
> conventional Forth and look at QUIT.
> But colorForth provides similar functionality by constructing tokens
> directly on the stack.
>
> [snip]
> > ...jeff fox's post about forth haters myths
> > (still dont understand those)
> I can confirm that many programmers react in a highly critical, and
> sometimes downright rude way, at the mention of Forth. I think this
reflects
> the limited connection to reality of their programming world-view, and
their
> consequent insecurity. I have not found any way to resolve this, but I
don't
> think that it is always neccessary to resolve other peoples' problems ;)
>
> > truth is a virus, or shallspread like a virus) actually doing good
> > stuff, replacing the whole
> > damn thing with a better solution,
> Yes.
> > so it never get hacked again.
> No.
> > More importantly, I want everyone able to pull those tricks, including
> myself.
> Yes.
> I agree with what you say, except for "so it never get hacked again" .
> Forth indicates a direction, not a destination. There must always be
> change...
>
> > I want the world to fall and restart anew.
> I think a bit more reality would be good. Some of the world is OK...
> But its nice to hear such strong words!
>
> Regards
>
> Howerd
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Marquis [mailto:adam.marquis@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 29 February 2004 09:08
> To: colorforth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [colorforth] Ideas
>
>
> reply below
> howerd.oakford@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> >Hi Adam,
> >
> >
> >
> >>I can't seem to get started,
> >>i got lot of great ideas,
> >>but I'm missing pieces somehow.
> >>
> >>
> >Are you having problems with getting colorForth to run?
> >We need ideas, I suspect that we are all missing pieces, and you have
> >already started ;)
> >
> >
> I revamped my CV and went met people at CIA's office (ottawa at cia.ca)
and
> a guy (the owner i think) of bios technologies (.com)
>
> Those were the worst market-droid encounters yet lol
> The girla at CIA told me she programmed stuff, but didn't understood the
> word
> "assembleur" (assembly language, in french) and looked truly incompetent.
>
> The other guy is pretty handsome, muscular even and straigt from a
cartoon,
> he tells me that they use BIOS in the company name just for the
impression,
> they only do basic server stuff, i talked chiense when I spoke of ARM,
JTAG,
> assembly, programming for the gba, flashing bioses with/without
> dedicated hardware
> (using the computers themselves I mean), developing whole solutions inside
> the flash rom of a motherboard, Forth, colorforth... **Low Credibility
> alert**
> He told me he had a bacc. in computer science from U of Sherbrooke, where
> I wanted to go, and some people tell me the coop stages (job while at
> school)
> are truly copy paste jobs that take 15 minutes!!!!!!!!!
>
> yeurk, I want to be out of this, I want to change that SH*T smelling world
> (just watched Pump Up The Volume, with Christian Slater, bought the DVD,
> first watched when I was 13, nom 5 years later I understand it and I say
> let's try TALKING HARD ;p)
>
> I want something that suits me, not a new ANSIfied colorforth ANSI FORTH
> JUST SUCKS  btw, I completely agree). I want color, simplicity and
elegance.
> I still dont understand all of coloroforth, I can't see why some things
> were done
> this or this way. I want to build myself a system for quick hacking, for
> a webserver
> of less than 10, or better 1K on X86, I want something that kick ass and
> get rid of the alienation!!!!!
>
> We,re all alienated, i want to build my own computer at home, using
> common materials, to make chemical pastes, or blocks, or SMT components,
> so I can bake and/or glue and/or solder my computer together in the
> confort of my kitchen, I want to teach kids during their lunch break,
> and perhaps change their lives, I want too a language that is
> teacheable in 10 minutes. Let free ourselves, I want everyone
> poking at I/O ports!
>
>
> One last thought: it appeared to me, to make a solution one has to walk
> toward a center from at least two directions.
> I made some steps regarding bottom up development, now I would love to
> code in assembly for windows or linux the smallest app possible,
> so that the gap between the two solutions can be easly bridged.
>
> The pieces I'm missing is PCI programming info, but most importantly,
> an interactive prompt programmed by me.
> I want it to integrate colors and indexes as in aha, I want it to have
> the most elegant solution to the age old problem (how
> to program a prompt), I want
> to be able to share in the bus my code with someone I never spoke to,
> I want to attract the world to Forth, to the solution of software
> engineering.
>
> I want something big to happen, because it stinks here. Ignorant people
> stinks,
> so do knowledgable ones. Sage one stay too quiet for me, I want them
> to become wild and irresponsible, releasing impossible exploits
> (as in the movie and jeff fox's post about forth haters myths (still
> dont understand those)
> truth is a virus, or shallspread like a virus) actually doing good
> stuff, replacing the whole
> damn thing with a better solution, so it never get hacked again. More
> importantly,
> I want everyone able to pull those tricks, including myself.
>
> So what I need, what I request myself is a full power interactive
> prompt. I cant program
> it it seems, it never get done..... But I want it!!! I think it never
> get done because of the
> screen editing paradigm inside my head, anyway, perhaps I shoudl Forth a
> little more,
> Forthing alone is dull though, i would love to FHACK with friends, let
> say videogames
> through memorycard bufferoverflows, anything!!!
>
> I want to play with "north" myself, to understand how pci works. But i
> want to do it in
> my environement, with lot of crazy stuff like no interrupts and using
> ESP as a virtual
> instruction pointer with no interrupts, or buidling from source the
> return stack,
> using only push push push jmp and stuff like that, truly untried and
> novel stuff.
>
> I want the world to fall and restart anew.
> I wnat to grow plants in the dark, i want to test them for cholorphyle
> using a spectrometer built at school, with an old reverse-engineered
> deskjet 670c printer, I want to have some fun, I want to be free, to
> be me!
>
>  This is the time or never.
>
> With all my heart and consideration
> for the quality people here,
> Adam
>
>
>
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