Re: [colorforth] PCI chipset bug causes display failure...
- Subject: Re: [colorforth] PCI chipset bug causes display failure...
- From: "Ray St. Marie" <ray.stmarie@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:29:18 -0500
I wise up and find it from a link on Howerd's site,
http://members.datafast.net.au/dft0802/downloads.htm
On 7/9/05, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> yikes! I can't assume you included it.
> Howerd, where is this PCIdev, please.
>
>
> On 7/9/05, Ray St. Marie <ray.stmarie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Thank you, Howerd, for reposting this, at the very least, and for the
> > PCI test. Will try this out soonest.
> >
> > I'm on the HP/Compaq with intel P4 and have had trouble with
> > colorforths starting or saving on this machine.
> >
> > I will do the test immediatly.
> > I assume that your site has the new PCI.exe in your cfdos#.exe disptribution.
> >
> > Here's to the test. E-mail results here after completion.
> >
> > Ray.
> >
> > On 7/9/05, howerd.oakford <howerd.oakford@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > From comp.lang.forth, in case you missed it :
> > >
> > > From: "Howerd" <howerdo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
> > > Subject: Re: ANN: PCIdev - PCI device viewer ( new and improved )
> > > Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:35:36 -0700
> > >
> > > Hi Albert & John,
> > >
> > > THANK YOU BOTH!!! I took a look at the Linux sources and...
> > >
> > > Albert: you are mostly right - lspci uses hardware access, but - from
> > > i386-ports.c ( used in the libpci library ) :
> > >
> > > /*
> > > * Before we decide to use direct hardware access mechanisms, we try to
> > > do some
> > > * trivial checks to ensure it at least _seems_ to be working -- we
> > > just test
> > > * whether bus 00 contains a host bridge (this is similar to checking
> > > * techniques used in XFree86, but ours should be more reliable since
> > > we
> > > * attempt to make use of direct access hints provided by the PCI
> > > BIOS).
> > > *
> > > * This should be close to trivial, but it isn't, because there are
> > > buggy
> > > * chipsets (yes, you guessed it, by Intel and Compaq) that have no
> > > class ID.
> > > */
> > >
> > > The last two lines are critical : could this be why the versions of
> > > colorForth that scan the PCI bus for the video card's RAM address don't
> > > work??? I believe the code scans for a class code 3 ( Display ).
> > >
> > > So, if any of you have a PC that refuses to run colorForth, could you
> > > please run PCIdev on it and report whether it finds any Class 3
> > > devices...
> > > Somehow the PCI BIOS must know about these brain-dead chips.
> > >
> > > From Chuck's original gen.asm :
> > >
> > > dev: mov EAX, 80001008h ; Find display, start at device 2
> > > mov ECX, 31-1 ; end with AGP: 10008, bus 1, dev 0
> > > @@: DUP_
> > > call north
> > > and EAX, 0ff000000h
> > > cmp EAX, 3000000h
> > > DROP
> > > jz @f
> > > add EAX, 800h
> > > next @b
> > > @@: ret
> > >
> > > This must also mean that our Linux friends have mastered the art of
> > > accessing the PCI BIOS from protected mode. It looks like I will have
> > > to dig into the sources some more...
> > >
> > > I am amazed that PCI chipset manufacturers could get the first, most
> > > fundamental ID wrong. Thanks again to the Linux developers 8^)
> > >
> > > *!*"*£% !*"&£(^!
> > >
> > > Howerd 8^o
> > >
> > >
> > > Albert van der Horst wrote:
> > > > In article <1120893158.735559.13860@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > > > Howerd <howerdo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > >John Passaniti wrote:
> > > > >> Howerd wrote:
> > > > >> > Announcing PCI.exe and PCI.f, a PCI viewer program, supplied as ANS
> > > > >> > Forth source and a turnkeyed application :
> > > > >
> > > > >> Although I'm not suggesting your effort was wasted, an alternative way
> > > > >> to do the same thing would be to use one of the run-from-CD Linux
> > > > >> distributions and poke around under /proc and use utilities like lspci.
> > > > >Thanks for the pointer - yet another reason to thank those Linux
> > > > >lads...
> > > > >
> > > > >PCIdev uses direct hardware access to display information about PCI
> > > > >devices - as far as I know all similar apps use BIOS calls.
> > > > >This is, of course,
> > >
> > > so that I can port it to colorForth...
> > > >
> > > > Linux speedily passes into protected mode, so I severely doubt that
> > > > much BIOS-calling is going on.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards
> > > > >
> > > > >Howerd 8^)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --
> > > > Albert van der Horst,Oranjestr 8,3511 RA UTRECHT,THE NETHERLANDS
> > > > Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters.
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> > >
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