Re: [colorforth] Jeff Fox

[vaded@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Dear Jeff Fox,

I'd be happy to hear anything about colorforth release 
features, or colorforth release dates, that has not been
mentioned before.

I asked about what happened to the soon to be released
new colorForth not out of criticism or to imply any sense
of obligation on yours or anyone else's part.  I asked
only to see if anyone had heard anything new and to get
the discussion going.  I am very grateful for your 
numerous contributions to the public Forth community and 
I could make no criticism if you decided to stop at any
time.

I would like to hear your theory on "what else might be
discouraging people from contributing to the colorforth 
community" if you are able and willing to share here.

Thanks,

Vaded

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:58:28 -0700 (PDT), "Jeff Fox"
<fox@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> It seems like there has been a new colorforth
> distribution about once a month for the last year or
> two although there has not been a big effort to seperate
> the upgrades into releaseable and non-releaseable sections.
> When it was just Chuck and I working with it I released
> two of the first three versions and hosted the other and
> provided lots of background information.
> 
> Chuck hasn't been involved much in colorforth system
> development and has been focused on application
> development.  Chuck and I are members of several teams
> using colorforth in the okad2 suite of applications.
> 
> There were reports on colorforth in 2005 and 2006 at
> the Silicon Valley Forth Interest Group Forth day and
> both times it was said that a new system would be
> released to the public soon.  But releasing a new
> public version doesn't appear to be as high a priority
> to the new team as it was when it was Chuck and I who
> were releasing colorforth versions to the public.
> 
> In an effort to support the colorforth community I
> have gotten permission from Chuck, and gotten agreement
> from the team, and asked repeatedly when it would
> happen.  The monthly upgrades of the platform for
> applications seem to be a much higher priority
> than a new public release.  Each month there seems
> to be something new that is more important.
> 
> I think part of that is that no one was paying Chuck
> to write colorforth that hosted okad2.  And no one
> was paying Chuck or me to release colorforth to
> the public. When a company formed people got paid to
> write okad2 apps and upgrade the OS and compiler
> they were not told that they were being paid to
> publish free releases of colorforth.  I got the ok
> for them to do this, but not for them to put this
> at the top of their official worklist of projects.
> And since they are not being paid to do it and
> are being paid to do something that people all
> around them are counting on I think they are just
> focused on working in Forth.
> 
> I have my own theory on what else might be
> discouraging people from contributing to the
> colorforth community.  Unfortunately the subject of
> this thread isn't colorforth release features, or
> colorforth release dates, or colorforth programming.
> 
> 
> 
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