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Regards,
John M. Drake
--- Dirk Harms-Merbitz <dirk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Chasing C implementations of committee standards is
> problematic
> because it leads to unavoidable bloat and uglyness.
>
>
> ColorForth exchanges source code so we cannot hide
> the uglyness
> in object code.
>
> But with a network connection we can hide the
> uglyness in a Linux
> box.
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:53:32AM -0700, John Drake
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Jack Johnson <fragment@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dirk Harms-Merbitz wrote:
> > > > What will you do about Flash? QuickTime? Real?
> > > >
> > > > If people are willing to code for colorForth
> then
> > > please
> > > > do not try to emulate Linux. We already have
> > > Linux.
> > >
> > > I have to nitpick here.
> >
> > I hope you don't mind if I nitpick on top of your
> > nitpick. :-)
> >
> >
> > > There are a number of CF enthusiasts who would
> like
> > > to be able to read
> > > various file formats for various reasons. Some
> > > excellent examples of
> > > needing JPEG encoders/decoders would be
> interfacing
> > > with digital
> > > cameras, foundation for a Web browser,
> > > interoperability with legacy
> > > systems, etc.
> > >
> > > That's not to say that we all need them -- that
> they
> > > should be made part
> > > of ColorForth proper-- but there can be value to
> > > sharing code for things
> > > that get repeated often.
> >
> > Taking this argument to its logical extreme does
> > ANY graphics file format need to be part of
> > "ColorForth proper", even one that's newly
> > invented? You've listed some applications
> > where a JPEG decoder would be nice. But there
> > are many applications that don't require
> > graphics at all. For example, any device
> > designed for the blind. In that case speech
> > synthesis would be vital. Speech regonition
> > would be nice. Any graphics decoder of any
> > kind would be dead weight. I think it's
> > important to keep things modular enough to
> > add in what you need when you need it.
> >
> > > Something else to consider is that though many
> of
> > > these legacy systems
> > > come with a lot of baggage, they also come with
> a
> > > lot of history. Sure,
> > > we could all roll-our-own audio compression
> scheme,
> > > but psychoacoustic
> > > compression is extremely efficient and extremely
> > > difficult to do from
> > > scratch. The ability to read format X doesn't
> turn
> > > CF into Linux, it
> > > just makes CF that much more useful when looking
> for
> > > a solution to a
> > > problem.
> >
> > My thoughts exactly! It's one thing to come up
> with
> > your own graphics format because you have some
> actual
> > thoughts on how to do it better. It's another to
> > come up with a graphics format just to be
> different
> > from Linux. (And Windows, and Mac, and iTV 4os,
> > and Oberon, and QNX and every other operating
> > system on the planet that supports JPEG.)
> >
> > > I mean, come on, you might as well make the
> argument
> > > that we shouldn't
> > > have a mouse driver because that would make us
> too
> > > much like Windows.
> > >
> > > -Jack
> >
> > I suppose you can put the computer in the mouse
> > like Jeff Fox. :-) (I'm still impressed by that
> > demo.)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John M. Drake
> >
> >
> >
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