Re: [colorforth] Ideas

[Mark Slicker <maslicke@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote:

> On Sunday 29 February 2004 01:07 am, Adam Marquis wrote:
> > so do knowledgable ones. Sage one stay too quiet for me, I want them
> > to become wild and irresponsible, releasing impossible exploits
>
> Sage people stay quiet for a reason.  There used to be a saying that went
> something like, "The truely intelligent talk.  The truely wise listen."
> I understand your frustrations completely.  But getting violent or
> vociferous about it will only make you seem even more uneducated.
>
> And that's the key.  You can't attack the problem until you're educated
> in its domain.  In this case, you cannot hope to undermine the
> established software development world until you *understand* it.
> Learning C++ is **NOT** learning OOP.  You need to learn C++, Objective
> C, Oberon-2 at least, Perl, Python, Visual BASIC, and straight C with
> CORBA, COM (with and without all those APIs and the IDL to make it
> happen), XML-RPC, etc.  Learn **WHY** these technologies were invented,
> **WHY** they are so successful (which may not be the same reason).  And,
> as you might guess, OOP is but one small nano-fragment of the whole
> computer industry (really, it is).  There are so many other things to
> learn about.
>
> Once you become well versed in the modern state of affairs, THEN AND ONLY
> THEN will you ever hope to sound half-way intelligent when talking about
> the Forth programming language, its environment, its philosophy, and how
> these may be applied on a *per-project* basis.

I would have to completely disagree with that. C++, et al are not a
requirement for Forth, althougth they could provide ample encouragement.
:)

I think Chuck had it right when he said to start simple. I've used this
principle to good success. When I'm overly ambitious, when I try to do too
much at once, this is when I typically fail.

That advice is the advice I pass onto to Adam. If you want to create your
OS, start with the simplest possible thing that could be considered an OS
and build up from there. Keep evolving the design and implementation. One
thing we forget is the that published colorForth did not magically appear
in its final form. It was a long evolution, which is in good part is
documented on Jeff Fox's site.

Mark

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